Depots simply would repaint helmets where the paint had lost its anti-reflective properties with an extremely heavy gravel finish. Now I'd be too bloody lucky if it was a Brodie - but it is interesting nonethless. of a WW1 helmet this normally means it's milder steel used and not for combat use.
Military Helmet Identification and Price Guide - MilitaryItems.com liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. The M1 came in two parts, a hard metal shell or cap on the outside, and an inner liner hat made out of softer and more malleable materials. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. Thanks for the info lads. Antique World War II helmet stamped and dated 1942 Canadian Army Brodie helmet made by General Steel Wares of Toronto shopatlanticcanada (133) $191.29 Vintage WWII Army Helmet 1940s Canadian Brodie MKII WyrembelskisVintage (1,643) $165.00 vintage army metal doughboy helmet IronCharlie (31) $345.00 FREE shipping Original Item: One-of-a-kind. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. First questions and then the story. Greetings. Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. In 1940 a Parliamentary Home Guard unit "The Palace of Westminster Company" was established, consisting of around one hundred Members and staff of both Houses. depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia.
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FOR SALE! The Liner maker is R.H.Long 1917 and the other liner stamp mark could be an Army. Follow on Instagram, The British Mark I Brodie & the U.S. P17, know the difference, M42 winter camo. It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? dailyinfo[1]='
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WW2 ARP & Civil Defence Helmets & Markings The American manufactures used an entirely different method to apply the paint to the helmets. Brodie Helmet ID? - The Trench Line DPH While they were initially produced from manufactured paper fibres, these models were quickly discontinued when it was realised that they degraded in short order, particularly in the tropical conditions of the Pacific War in 1942 and 1943. A Google search only returns one hit-another helmet with the stamp-but I dont see XHF in any manufacturer listings. WW2 BRITISH ARMY Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs - 26.62. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany '
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I know not many American helmets made it overseas, and the painting of division badges on helmets seem to be inconsistent. WW1 Brodie helmet liner and leather chinstrap which contains no harmful materials. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. 5th Bde. I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet. Helmets were procured from British supply until such point as the Americans could supply themselves with their own helmets. dailyinfo[31]='
420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. The first Brodie helmets entered service in September 1915 but the number of them being produced at this early date was so limited that they were stored in the trenches and given to individuals who were most susceptible to attacks on a given day. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. Tell me what I have, Brodie Helmet identification request. brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. document.write;
The helmets from both countries are so similar that often times people believe that the Spanish helmet is a German helmet. $150-300 Information & Special Terms Internet Premium : 20% Participation Requirements: Valid Credit Card required for bidding approval Payment Options: Visa, MasterCard, Discover, American Express, Check, Money Order, Wire Transfer, and Cash Visa MasterCard Discover American Express Payment Instructions . Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. Identifying a Mk.1* British Civil Defence Brodie. - War Relics Thanks for these pictures! There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: var day=mydate.getDay()
It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. UK. It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. Artillery cartridge case of German origin, used during WW1. if it is red underneathit could have been. By 1916, Brodie helmet . The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. var dailyinfo= new Array(31)
Results 1 to 3 of 3 blue brodie helmet(or not) identification. Was the safety of a WW1 helmet called into question because dailyinfo[25]=' 262952 Private Archibald Stanley BURGNEAY 8th Bn. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? My 1939 British Army Helmet. | WW2Talk The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) }
Second World War British Brodie Helmet Identification 1-877-862-5245; Home; Contact; About Us; Why Top Pots; A few have turned up with manufacture marks similar to those found on British shells A number of firms made P17s for the U.S. Military. i don't know anything about brodie helmet .
Sign up for a new account in our community. dgirardin 11 months ago. Yet its use did not stop there. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. HOW TO IDENTIFY A WW1 BRITISH BRODIE STEEL HELMET FROM A WW2 - YouTube The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . My M1915 adrian helmet from the belgium army and british Brodie Mk1 helmet used from the USA, Haller's Blue Army Soldier: Uniform Identification. dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm '
That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner.
So. The British Mark I Brodie & the U.S. P17, know the difference Paste as plain text instead,
A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. The use of a thicker bail and steel rivet to secure the holder would have minimized the chance of the bail coming lose during combat. For slow learners: A Brodie is simply the design of British Army helmet worn in both WWI and WW2, and not a particular type of WWI helmet? I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top.
Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. There should not be a threaded nut. H.M.S. Moreover, many Commonwealth nations and other countries associated with Britain such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa began producing their own versions in the interwar years, while adapted versions of the Brodie were also used in some civilian settings in Britain, notably by the police and fire brigade. This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know. Many originals show evidence of the bails being replaced. FOR SALE! NPB. Both helmets are made from hardened manganese steel. Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. You cannot paste images directly. Looks like an original Mk2 shell, obviously repainted. Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. Vimy Ridge?, First to adopt Motor machine guns, feared by the Germans for our Shok troop tacktics..HEE HEE HEE, just picking on you. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. British helmets were brush painted by hand. I found a brodie helmet at an antique shop, its been painted black (going over several peace signs in black sharpie). Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. I have looked on a couple brodie specialist websites and cant find anything. and 34th Coy. if (month<10) month="0"+month
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Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? Brodie Helmets - Gentleman's Military Interest Club dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942.
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H.M.S. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd E.G.Budd. The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom '
I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. 309.60 Buy It Now. "Orbita." Originally this was a hard-hat like support which was designed to fit inside the steel cap, offering comfort, support and an extra layer of protection. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Steel Helmet | International Encyclopedia of the First World War (WW1) Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. You cannot paste images directly. The unpainted shell was dipped onto a vat of olive paint. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium '
In the years after the end of the war the American Infantry Board tested a number of new models, but each of these were deemed to not mark any real improvement on the earlier design. What mythical beast could that be?? By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. Hello Leon. The British bail design proved to be too weak for the rigors of the trenches. Some developed nations such as Australia and Canada even continued to use it well into the 1990s. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. This was particularly the case when it came to trench warfare where shrapnel and debris rained down on soldiers heads from above. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. That's a tough one without knowing what the actual letters are. if (year < 1000) year+=1900
and 34th Coy. Heavily distressed #re, Specters in the Snow, the story of Finlands Skeleton Helmet, Sinister in Black, the Pre-War Helmet of the SS, The German helmet of the Normandy Campaign, The Tsars French Helmet, the Imperial Russian Adrian, Visiting the Baltic with Alexander & Sons, Understanding WWII German helmet insignia, Whats inside, German helmet liners 1920-1940, Geronimos helmet, a short history of the U.S. M2, A Short History of the German Steel Helmet of the Great War. This is due to the split rivet shearing away from strain and the near constant moister of the Western Front. Remembered Today:
I believe they were numbered 1-24.
Its becoming more popular. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France '
dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". else { document.write(fontstart+"No major events today"+fontend); }
. Related Weapons & Armor. Consequently the Infantry Board resumed its experiments to produce a new design. Yes would be very interested to see the other documents, menu and any other informationyou have as these might help with identifying the letters on the helmet. First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . This used brass case is approximately 75 mm diameter and is marked with a 1916 manufacturing date. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. Brodie helmet | Military Wiki | Fandom Good to see that copper rivetswere used. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France '
Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. sizes 54cm to 62cm. man in charge. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. Known Heat or Manufacturer Lot code Stamp Marks of M1917 shells. He was in standard active service but was injured in 1941/42 and it was then when he was positioned at Parliament. Brodie Helmet - Etsy British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France '
It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. If solid rivets, its US. The color of paint used by both the British and American manufactures do show some similarity. Steel Helmet, MK I Brodie pattern: British Army | Imperial War Museums Article about: Hi everybody i found this helmet while i'm surfing on the net. dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets . What are the chances that the Big Red One emblem is original? The two WW1 Brodie Helmets, British and American, are nearly identical. There is also a drill hole on rear of the brim. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service.